The Washington Post posted selective and edited audio from an hour-long telephone conversation between President Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
Raffensperger, a Never Trump Republican, did not identify who in his office secretly recorded the conversation. Nor did he identify who was responsible for leaking it the newspaper.
Earlier today, the Todd Starnes Radio Show demanded that the Washington Post released an unedited copy of the conversation — all 60 minutes. And just a few moments ago, the Post complied with our demands.
Following is the transcript along with the audio – and it’s very clear that the president was not asking anyone to commit election fraud.
Meadows: Ok. Alright. Mr. President, everyone is on the line. This is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff. Just so we all are aware. On the line is secretary of state, and two other individuals. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell â who is not the attorney of record but has been involved â myself and then the president. So Mr. President, Iâll turn it over to you.
Trump: OK, thank you very much. Hello Brad and Ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time and the call. So weâve spent a lot of time on this and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think itâs pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. Weâd be getting 25-30,000 people a rally and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.
But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 â anywhere from 250-300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasnât been checked. We think that if you check the signatures â a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County youâll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure thatâs going to happen.
Another tremendous number. Weâre going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants. But an accurate number â and thatâs people that went to vote and they were told they canât vote because theyâve already been voted for. And itâs a very sad thing. They walked out complaining. But the numberâs large. Weâll have it for you. But itâs much more than the number of 11,779 thatâs â The current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think you agree with that, right? Thatâs something I think everyone â at least thatâsâ a number that everyone agrees on.
But thatâs the difference in the votes. But weâve had hundreds of thousands of ballots that weâre able to actually â weâll get you a pretty accurate number. You donât need much of a number because the number that in theory I lost by, the margin would be 11,779. But you also have a substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November 3, were told they couldnât vote, were told they couldnât vote because a ballot had been put on their name. And you know thatâs very, very, very, very sad.
We had, I believe itâs about 4,502 voters who voted but who werenât on the voter registration list, so itâs 4,502 who voted but they werenât on the voter registration roll which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant and theyâre not allowed to be counted. Thatâs 18,325.
Smaller number â you had 904 who only voted where they had just a P.O. â a post office box number â and they had a post office box number and thatâs not allowed. We had at least 18,000 â thatâs on tape we had them counted very painstakingly â 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. Sheâs a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape thatâs been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad, you me and everybody else.
Where they got â number one they said very clearly and itâs been reported they said there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area. And then they came back, [name] and her daughter and a few people. There were no Republican poll watchers. Actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers, I guess they were them. But there were no Democrats, either and there was no law enforcement. Late in the morning, early in the morning they went to the table with the black robe, the black shield and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there a number of hours before the table was put there. I think it was, Brad you would know, it was probably eight hours or seven hours before and then it was stuffed with votes.
They werenât in an official voter box, but they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases but they werenât in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it and they watched it certified in slow motion instant replay if you can believe it but slow motion and it was magnified many times over and the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.
You had out of state voters. they voted in Georgia but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses, thatâs
And you had drop boxes, which is very bad. You had drop boxes that were picked up. We have photographs and we have affidavits from many people.
I donât know if you saw the hearings, but you have drop boxes where the box was picked up but not delivered for three days. So all sorts of things could have happened to that box including, you know, putting in the votes that you wanted. So there were many infractions and the bottom line is, many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by â we had vast I mean the state is in turmoil over this.
And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today and you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, And I didnât lose the state, Brad. People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way. A lot of the political people said that thereâs no way they beat me. And they beat me. They beat me in the ⌠As you know, every single state ⌠we won every state. we one every statehouse in the country. We held the Senate which is shocking to people, although weâll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days.
And we won the House, but we won every single statehouse and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats, and they gained, I think 16 or 17 or something. I think thereâs a now difference of five. There was supposed to be a difference substantially more. But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits or are going to that, that there was no way that they beat me in the election that the people came out, in fact, they were expecting to lose and then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said thereâs no way that theyâve done many polls prior to the election. There was no way that they won.
Ballots were dropped in massive numbers. And weâre trying to get to those numbers and we will have them.
Theyâll take a period of time. Certified. But but theyâre massive numbers. And far greater than the other thing, dead people. So dead people voted and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.
The bottom line is when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas. And this may or may not ⌠because this just came up this morning that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. Theyâre changing the equipment on the Dominion machines and, you know, thatâs not legal.
And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds of, 3,000 pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And it is a very sad situation.
But Brad if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified but they are certified. And those are numbers that are there that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I mean by a lot and people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where thereâs turmoil.
I mean thereâs turmoil in Georgia and other places. Youâre not the only one I mean we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly. And this is something that â You know, as an example, I think it in Detroit, I think thereâs a section a good section of your state actually, which weâre not sure so weâre not going to report it yet. But in Detroit, we had, I think it was, 139 percent of the people voted. Thatâs not too good.
In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And uh that doesnât play too well, and the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist and angry. I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that. But, uh, they had as an example, in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think it was I think, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours, you were in the 4-5,000 category.
And that was checked out laboriously by going through, by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.
So I guess with all of it being said, Brad, the bottom line and provisional ballots, again, you know, youâll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were complaining that they werenât able to vote because they were already voted for. These are great people.
And, you know, they were shellshocked. I donât know if you call that provisional ballots. In some states we had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot because when they walked in on November 3 and they were already voted for.
So thatâs it. I mean, we have many many times the number of votes necessary to win the state. And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily and weâre getting, we have, much of this is a very certified, far more certified than we need. But weâre getting additional numbers certified, too. And weâre getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some cases, plus we have many affidavits to that effect.
Meadows: So Mr. President, if I might be able to jump in and Iâll give Brad a chance. Mr. Secretary, obviously there is, there are allegations where we believe that not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted and thatâs at odds with the representation from the secretary of stateâs office.
What Iâm hopeful for is there some way that we can we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully. You know the president mentioned Fulton County.
But in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead, and so Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and compromise is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward thatâs less litigious?
Raffensperger: Well, I listened to what the president has just said. President Trump, weâve had several lawsuits and weâve had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions. Um, we donât agree that you have won. And we donât â I didnât agree about the 200,000 number that youâd mentioned. Iâll go through that point by point.
What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election. Going back, primarily what youâve talked about here focused in on primarily, I believe, is the absentee ballot process. I donât believe that youâre really questioning the Dominion machines. Because we did a hand retally, a 100 percent retally of all the ballots and compared them to what the machines said and came up with virtually the same result. Then we did the recount, and we got virtually the same result. So I guess we can probably take that off the table.
I donât think thereâs an issue about that.
Trump: Well, Brad. Not that thereâs not an issue, because we have a big issue with Dominion in other states and perhaps in yours. But we havenât felt we needed to go there. And just to, you know, maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows, uh, yeah weâd like to go further, but we donât really need to. We have all the votes we need.
You know, we won the state. If you took, these are the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you, those are numbers that are certified, your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses, your out of state voters 4,925. You know when you add them up, itâs many more times, itâs many times the 11,779 number. So we could go through, we have not gone through your Dominion. So we canât give them blessing. I mean, in other states, we think we found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines but weâll have to see.
But we only lost the state by that number, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being said, with just what we have, with just what we have weâre giving you minimal, minimal numbers. Weâre doing the most conservative numbers possible, weâre many times, many, many times above the margin. And so we donât really have to, Mark, I donât think we have to go through âŚ
Meadows: Right
Trump: Because, whatâs the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes. I think I probably did win it by half a million. You know, one of the things that happened Brad, is we have other people coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states, and theyâre saying itâs impossible for you to have lost Georgia. We won. You know in Alabama, we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In Georgia, we set a record with a massive amount of votes. And they say itâs not possible to have lost Georgia.
And I could tell you by our rallies. I could tell you by the rally Iâm having on Monday night, the place, they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. Itâs just not possible to have lost Georgia. It’s not possible. When I heard it was close I said thereâs no way. But they dropped a lot of votes in there late at night. You know that, Brad. And thatâs what we are working on very, very stringently. But regardless of those votes, with all of it being said, we lost by essentially 11,000 votes and we have many more votes already calculated and certified, too.
And so I just donât know, you know, Mark, I donât know whatâs the purpose. I wonât give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things. But we donât need Dominion or anything else. We have won this election in Georgia based on all of this. And thereâs nothing wrong with saying that, Brad. You know I mean, having the correct â the people of Georgia are angry. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night. Along with others that weâre going to have by that time which are much more substantial even. And the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And thereâs nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that youâve recalculated. Because the 2,236 in absentee ballots. I mean, theyâre all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms law firms, etc. and even if you cut âem in half, cut âem in half and cut âem in half, again, itâs more votes than we need.
Raffensperger: Well Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised.
But they â I guess there was a person Mr. Braynard who came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people, I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. So thatâs wrong.
Trump: Well Cleta, How do you respond to that? Maybe you tell me?
Mitchell: Well, I would say Mr. Secretary, one of the things that we have requested and what we said was, if you look, if you read our petition, it said that we took the names and birth years and we had certain information available to us. We have asked from your office for records that only you have and so we said there is a universe of people who have the same name and same birth year and died.
But we donât have the records that you have. And one of the things that we have been suggesting formally and informally for weeks now is for you to make available to us the records that would be necessary â
Trump: But Cleta, even before you do that, and not even including that, thatâs why hardly even included that number, although in one state we have a tremendous amount of dead people. So I donât know â Iâm sure we do in Georgia, too. Iâm sure we do in Georgia too.
But, um, weâre so far ahead. Weâre so far ahead of these numbers, even the phony ballots of [name] , known scammer. You know the Internet? You know what was trending on the Internet? âWhereâs [name]?â Because they thought sheâd be in jail. âWhereâs [name]?â Itâs crazy, itâs crazy. That was. The minimum number is 18,000 for [name] , but they think itâs probably about 56,000, but the minimum number is 18,000 on the [name] night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed, she stuffed the ballot boxes. Letâs face it, Brad, I mean. They did it in slow motion replay magnified, right? She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody had ever seen them stuffed before.
So thereâs a term for it when itâs a machine instead of a ballot box, but she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the ballot â Each ballot went three times they were showing: Hereâs ballot No 1. Here it is second time, third time, next ballot.
I mean, look. Brad. We have a new tape that weâre going to release. Itâs devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes that weâre talking about. Itâs uh, you know. That one event was a disaster. And itâs just, you know, but it was, it was something, it canât be disputed. And again we have a version that you havenât seen but itâs magnified. Itâs magnified and you can see everything. For some reason they put it in three times, each ballot, and I donât know why. I donât know why three times. Why not five times, right? Go ahead.
Raffensperger: Youâre talking about the State Farm video. And I think itâs extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. The next day we brought in WSB-TV and we let them show, see the full run of tape and what youâll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was projected by, you know â
Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there.
It was late in the evening, late in the, early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room. Where were the poll watchers and why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which was reported in the newspapers? They said they left. They ran out because of a water main break, and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But weâre, if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers, even where were the Democrat pollwatchers, because there were none.
And then you say, well, they left their station, you know, if you look at the tape, and this was, this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people, when they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station.
When they came back, they didnât go to their station. They went to the apron, wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box. And then they took those. They went back to a different station. So if they would have come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have continued to work. But they couldnât do even that because thatâs illegal, because they had no Republican pollwatchers. And remember, her reputation is â sheâs known all over the Internet, Brad. Sheâs known all over.
Iâm telling you, âWhereâs [name] â was one of the hot items âŚ[name] They knew her. âWhereâs [name]?â So Brad, there can be no justification for that. And I you know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. But that was â And Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You know, they put âem in three times.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, they did not put that. We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.
Trump: Where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where was everybody? Where were the Republicans? Where were the security guards? Were the people that were there just a little while before when everyone ran out of the room. How come we had no security in the room. Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why do they run there and just open the skirt and rip out the votes. I mean, Brad. And they were sitting there, I think for five hours or something like that, the votes.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, weâll send you the link from WSB.
Trump: I donât care about the link. I donât need it. Brad, I have a much better â
Mitchell: I will tell you. Iâve seen the tape. The full tape. So has Alex. Weâve watched it. And what we saw and what weâve confirmed in the timing is that. They made everybody leave, we have sworn affidavits saying that. And then they began to process ballots. And our estimate is that there were roughly 18,000 ballots. We donât know that. If you know that âŚ
Trump: It was 18,000 ballots but they used each one three times.
Mitchell: Well, I donât know about that.
Trump: I do think because we had ours magnified out.
Mitchell: Iâve watched the entire tape.
Trump: Nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. I mean, look, youâd have to be a child to think anything other than that. Just a child.
Mitchell: How many ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying were processed then?
Raffensperger: We had GBI ⌠investigate that.
Germany: We had our â this is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI agents.
Trump: Well, thereâs no way they could â then theyâre incompetent. Theyâre either dishonest or incompetent, okay?
Mitchell: Well, what did they find?
Trump: Thereâs only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. Thereâs just no way. Look. Thereâs no way. And on the other thing, I said too, there is no way. I mean, thereâs no way that these things could have been you know, you have all these different people that voted but they donât live in Georgia anymore. What was that number, Cleta? That was a pretty good number too.
Mitchell: The number who have registered out of state after they moved from Georgia. And so they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out of state. And then itâs like 4,500, I donât have that number right in front of me.
Trump: And then they came back in and they voted.
Mitchell: And voted. Yeah.
Trump: I thought that was a large number, though. It was in the 20s.
Germany: Weâve been going through each of those as well and those numbers that we got that Ms. Mitchell was just saying, theyâre not accurate. Every one weâve been through, are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases â
Trump: How may people do that? They moved out and then they said, âAh, to hell with it Iâll move back.â You know, it doesnât sound like a very normal ⌠you mean, they moved out, and what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? Itâs crazy.
Germany: They moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So thereâs something about that data that, itâs just not accurate.
Trump: Well, I donât know, all I know is that it is certified. And they moved out of Georgia and they voted. It didnât say they moved back in Cleta, did it?
Mitchell: No, but I mean, weâre looking at the voter registration. Again, if you have additional records, weâve been asking for that, but you havenât shared any of that with us. You just keep saying you investigated the allegations.
Trump: Cleta, a lot of it you donât need to be shared. I mean, to be honest, they should share. They should share it because you want to get to an honest election.
I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. Thereâs no way I lost Georgia. Thereâs no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. Iâm just going by small numbers when you add them up theyâre many times the 11,000. But I won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes.
Do you think itâs possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? Because thatâs what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery.
Do you know anything about that? Because thatâs illegal, right?
Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.
Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?
Germany: No.
Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?
Germany: Iâm sure. Iâm sure, Mr. President.
Trump: What about, what about the ballots. The shredding of the ballots. Have they been shredding ballots?
Germany: The only investigation that we have into that â they have not been shredding any ballots. There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this stuff from, you know, from you know past elections.
Trump: It doesnât pass the smell test because we hear theyâre shredding thousands and thousands of ballots and now what theyâre saying, âOh, weâre just cleaning up the office.â Yeah.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they â people can say anything.
Trump: Oh this isnât social media. This is Trump media. Itâs not social media. Itâs really not itâs not social media. I donât care about social media. I couldnât care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side. I donât even know why you have a side, because you should want to have an accurate election. And youâre a Republican.
Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.
Trump: No, no you donât. No, no you don’t. You donât have. Not even close. Youâre off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, youâre off on these numbers and these numbers canât be just â well, why wont? â Okay. So you sent us into Cobb County for signature verification, right? You sent us into Cobb County, which we didnât want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public. So we had our experts there they werenât allowed into the room. But we didnât want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldnât give it to us. Now, why arenât we doing signature â and why canât it be open to the public?
And why canât we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs who will never find anything and donât want to find anything? They donât want to find, you know, they donât want to find anything. Someday youâll tell me the reason why, because I donât understand your reasoning, but someday youâll tell me the reason why. But why donât you want to find?
Germany: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County â
Trump: Why donât you want to find ⌠What?
Germany: Sorry, go ahead.
Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didnât even request â we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go ahead, please. Go ahead.
Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where thereâs been any evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done.
Trump: No, but I told you. Weâre not, weâre not saying that.
Mitchell: We did say that.
Trump: Fulton County. Look. Stacey, in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She has outplayed you ⌠at everything. She got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement, which is a disastrous agreement. You canât check signatures. I canât imagine youâre allowed to do harvesting, I guess, in that agreement. That agreement is a disaster for this country. But she got you somehow to sign that thing and she has outsmarted you at every step.
And I hate to imagine whatâs going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but itâs very scary to people. You know, when the ballots flow in out of nowhere. Itâs very scary to people. That consent decree is a disaster. Itâs a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said theyâve never seen anything like it.
Raffensperger: Harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia. And that settlement agreement did not change that one iota.
Trump: Itâs not a settlement agreement, itâs a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesnât it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesnât say settlement agree. Itâs a consent decree. Itâs a disaster.
Raffensperger: Itâs a settlement agreement.
Trump: Whatâs written on top of it?
Raffensperger: Ryan?
Germany: I donât have it in front of me, but it was not entered by the court, itâs not a court order.
Trump: But Ryan, itâs called a consent decree, is that right? On the paper. Is that right?
Germany: I donât. I donât. I donât believe so, but I donât have it in front of me.
Trump: OK, whatever, itâs a disaster. Itâs a disaster. Look. Hereâs the problem. We can go through signature verification and weâll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didnât do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And youâll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that arenât even signed and you have many that are forgeries.
OK, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at 11,779 within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she totally corrupt.
And theyâre going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, theyâre laughing at you and youâve taken a state thatâs a Republican state, and youâve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobodyâs ever cheated before. And I donât care how long it takes me, you know, weâre going to have other states coming forward â pretty good.
But I wonât ⌠this is never ⌠this is ⌠We have some incredible talent said theyâve never seen anything ⌠Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers. But theyâre very substantial numbers. But I think youâre going to fine that they â by the way, a little information, I think youâre going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and theyâre brand new and they donât have a seal and thereâs the whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt.
And you are going to find that they are â which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and youâre not reporting it. Thatâs a criminal, thatâs a criminal offense. And you canât let that happen. Thatâs a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And thatâs a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what Iâve heard. And they are removing machinery and theyâre moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you canât let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, Iâm notifying you that youâre letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.
And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, you know, this is â itâs a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I donât know. A lot of people think it wasnât a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But itâs a big problem in Georgia and itâs not a problem thatâs going away. I mean, you know, itâs not a problem thatâs going away.
Germany: This is Ryan. Weâre looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.
Trump: Good. But if you find it youâve got to say it, Ryan.
Germany: ⌠Let me tell you what we are seeing. What weâre seeing is not at all what youâre describing, these are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI, and theyâre looking and theyâre good. And thatâs not what theyâre seeing. And weâll keep looking, at all these things.
Trump: Well, you better check the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. Iâm just telling you, Ryan. Theyâre shredding ballots. And you should look at that very carefully. Because thatâs so illegal. You know, you may not even believe it because itâs so bad. But theyâre shredding ballots because they think weâre going to eventually get ⌠because weâll eventually get into Fulton. In my opinion itâs never too late. ⌠So, thatâs the story. Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have are far more than that as it stands now. Weâll have more and more. And . Do you have provisional ballots at all, Brad? Provisional ballots?
Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state law.
Trump: Sure, but I mean, are they counted or did you just hold them back because they, you know, in other words, how many provisional ballots do you have in the state?
Raffensperger: Weâll get you that number.
Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name Trump. Because these are people that were scammed when they came in. And we have thousands of people that have testified or that want to testify when they came in they were probably going to vote on November 3. And they were told Iâm sorry, youâve already been voted for, youâve already voted. The women, men started screaming, No. I proudly voted til November 3. They said, Iâm sorry, but youâve already been voted for and you have a ballot and these people are beside themselves. So they went out and they filled in a provisional ballot, putting the name Trump on it.
And what about that batch of military ballots that came in. And even though I won the military by a lot, it was 100 percent Trump. I mean 100 percent Biden. Do you know about that? A large group of ballots came in. I think it was to Fulton County and they just happened to be 100 percent for Trump â for Biden, even though Trump won the military by a lot, you know, a tremendous amount. But these ballots were 100 percent for Biden. And, do you know about that? A very substantial number came in, all for Biden. Does anybody know about it?
Mitchell: I know about it, but â
Trump: OK, Cleta, Iâm not asking you Cleta, honestly. Iâm asking Brad. Do you know about the military ballots that we have confirmed now. Do you know about the military ballots that came in that were 100 percent, I mean 100 percent for Biden. Do you know about that?
Germany: I donât know about that, I do know that we have when military ballots come in, itâs not just military, itâs also military and overseas citizens. The military part of that does generally go Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally goes very Democrat. This was a mix of âem.
Trump: No, but this was. Thatâs OK. But I got like 78 percent of the military. These ballots were all for ⌠They didnât tell me overseas. Could be overseas too, but I get votes overseas too, Ryan, in all fairness. No they came in, a large batch came in and it was, quote, 100 percent for Biden. And that is criminal. You know, thatâs criminal. OK. Thatâs another criminal, thatâs another of the many criminal events, many criminal events here.
Oh, I donât know, look Brad. I got to get ⌠I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. Thatâs before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no criminality.
But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think itâs very dangerous for you to say that.
I just, I just donât know why you donât want to have the votes counted as they are. Like even you when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because, you know ⌠And we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way that check was done, all youâre doing you know, recertifying existing votes and, you know, and you were given votes and you just counted them up and you still found 3,000 that were bad. So that was sort of surprising that it came down to three or five I donât know. still a lot of votes. But you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, youâll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it.
So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already. Or we can keep it going but thatâs not fair to the voters of Georgia because theyâre going to see what happened and theyâre going to see what happened. I mean, Iâll, Iâll take on to anybody you want with regard to [name] and her lovely daughter, a very lovely young lady, Iâm sure. But, but [name] ⌠I will take on anybody you want. And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots but they used them three times. So thatâs, you know, a lot of votes. ⌠And they were all to Biden, by the way, thatâs the other thing we didnât say. You know, [name] , the one thing I forgot to say which was the most important. You know that every single ballot she did went to Biden. You know that, right? Do you know that, by the way, Brad?
Every single ballot that she did through the machines at early, early in the morning, went to Biden. Did you know that, Ryan?
Germany: Thatâs not accurate, Mr. President.
Trump: Huh. What is accurate?
Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.
Trump: No, about [name] . About early in the morning, Ryan. Where the woman took, you know, when the whole gang took the stuff from under the table, right? Do you know, do you know who those ballots, who they were made out to, do you know who they were voting for?
Germany: No, not specifically.
Trump: Did you ever check?
Germany: We did what I described to you earlier â
Trump: No no no â did you ever check the ballots that were scanned by [name] , a known political operative and balloteer. Did ever check who those votes were for?
Germany: We looked into that situation that you described.
Trump: No, they were 100 percent for Biden. 100 percent. There wasnât a Trump vote in the whole group. Why donât you want to find this, Ryan? Whatâs wrong with you? I heard your lawyer is very difficult, actually, but Iâm sure youâre a good lawyer. You have a nice last name.
But, but Iâm just curious why wouldnât, why do you keep fighting this thing? It just doesnât make sense. Weâre way over the 17,779, right? Weâre way over that number and just if you took just [name] , weâre over that number by five, five or six times when you multiply that times three.
And every single ballot went to Biden, and you didnât know that, but, now you know it. So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and itâs not fair to take it away from us like this. And itâs going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that youâre going to reexamine it and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people that donât want to find answers. For instance, Iâm hearing Ryan that heâs probably, Iâm sure a great lawyer and everything. But heâs making statements about those ballots that he doesnât know. But heâs making them with such â he did make them with surety. But now I think heâs less sure because the answer is they all went to Biden and that alone wins us the election by a lot. You know, so.
Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have people that submit information and we have our people that submit information. And then it comes before the court and the court then has to make a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.
Trump: Why do you say that? I donât know. I mean, sure, we can play this game with the courts, but why do you say that? First of all they donât even assign us a judge. They donât even assign us a judge. But why wouldnât you â Hey Brad, why wouldnât you want to check out [name] ? And why wouldnât you want to say, hey, if in fact, President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident alone without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots. You just say, you stick by, I mean Iâve been watching you, you know, you donât care about anything. âYour numbers are right.â But your numbers arenât right. Theyâre really wrong and theyâre really wrong, Brad. And I know this phone call is going nowhere other than, other than ultimately, you know â Look ultimately, I win, okay? Because you guys are so wrong. And you treated this. You treated the population of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who is down at 21, he was down 21 points. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him and he got elected, but I will tell you, he is a disaster.
And he knows, I canât imagine that people are so angry in Georgia, I canât imagine heâs ever getting elected again Iâll tell you that much right now. But why wouldnât you want to find it right answer, Brad, instead of keep saying that the numbers are right? Those numbers are so wrong?
Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, one of the things that we have been, Alex can talk about this, we talked about it, and I donât know whether the information has been conveyed to your office, but I think what the president is saying, and what weâve been trying to do is to say, look, the court is not acting on our petition. They havenât even assigned a judge. But the people of Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the answers. And you have data and records that we donât have access to.
And you can keep telling us that you investigated this and nothing to see here. But we donât know about that. All we know what you tell us. What I donât understand is why wouldnât it be in everyoneâs best interest to try to get to the bottom, compare the numbers, you know, if you say, because ⌠to try to be able to get to the truth because we donât have any way of confirming what youâre telling us. You tell us that you had an investigation at the State Farm Arena. I donât have any report. Iâve never seen a report of investigation. I donât know that is. Iâve been pretty involved in this and I donât know. And thatâs just of 25 categories. And it doesnât even. And as I, as the president said, we havenât even gotten into the Dominion issue. Thatâs not part of our case. Itâs not part of our, we just didnât feel as though we had any to be able to develop â
Trump: No, we do have a way but I donât want to get into it. We found a way ⌠excuse me, but we donât need it because weâre only down 11,000 votes so we donât even need it. I personally think theyâre corrupt as hell. But we donât need that. All we have to do Cleta is find 11,000-plus votes. So we donât need that. Iâm not looking to shake up the whole world. We won Georgia easily. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. But if you go by basic simple numbers, we won it easily, easily. So weâre not giving Dominion pass on the record. We donât need Dominion, because we have so many other votes that we donât need to prove it any more than we already have.
Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert, if I might interject for a moment. Um Ryan, I would like to suggest just four categories that have already been mentioned by the president that have actually hard numbers of 24.149 votes that were counted illegally. That in and of itself is sufficient to change the results or place the outcome in doubt. We would like to sit down with your office so we can do it through purposes of compromise and just like this phone call, just to deal with that limited category of votes. And if you are able to establish that our numbers are not accurate, then fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. Weâve had now three to four separate experts looking at these numbers.
Trump: Certified accountants looked at them.
Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on USPS data and your own secretary of state data. So thatâs what we would entreat and ask you to do, to sit down with us in a compromise and settlements proceeding and actually go through the registered voter IDs and registrations. And if you can convince us that 24,149 is inaccurate, then fine. But we tend to believe that is, you know, obviously more than 11,779. Thatâs sufficient to change the results entirely in of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?
Germany: Iâm happy to get with our lawyers and weâll set that up. That number is not accurate. And I think we can show you, for all the ones weâve looked at, why itâs not. And so if that would be helpful, Iâm happy to get with our lawyers and set that up with you guys.
Trump: Well, let me ask you, Kurt, you think that is an accurate number. That was based on the information given to you by the secretary of stateâs department, right?
Hilbert: That is correct. That information is the minimum most conservative data based upon the USPS data and the secretary of stateâs office data that has been made publicly available. We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state. We have asked for it six times. I sent a letter over to ⌠several times requesting this information, and itâs been rebuffed every single time. So it stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, thereâs something to hide. Thatâs the problem that we have.
Germany: Well, thatâs not the case sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And thereâs things that under the law, we are not allowed to give out.
Trump: Well, you have to. Well, under the law youâre not allowed to give faulty election results, OK? Youâre not allowed to do that. And thatâs what you done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up and because of what youâve done to the president â you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam. Because of what youâve done to the president, a lot of people arenât going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And theyâre going to vote. And you would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And I think that it is really is important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. Because I know Brad that if you think weâre right, I think youâre going to say, and Iâm not looking to blame anybody. Iâm just saying you know, and, you know, under new counts, and under uh, new views, of the election results, we won the election. You know? Itâs is very simple. We won the election. As the governors of major states and the surrounding states said, there is no way you lost Georgia, as the Georgia politicians say, there is no way, you lost Georgia. Nobody. Everyone knows I won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But Iâll tell you itâs going to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys donât get this thing straightened out fast.
Meadows: Mr. President. This is Mark. It sounds like weâve got different sides agreeing that we can look at these areas ands I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of stateâs data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?
Germany: No, thatâs not what I said. Iâm happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to my him, hereâs, based on what weâve looked at so far, hereâs how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.
Meadows: So what youâre saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure ⌠so what youâre saying is you really donât want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?
Germany: I donât think we can give access to data thatâs protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say â
Trump: But youâre allowed to have a phony election? Youâre allowed to have a phony election right?
Germany: No sir.
Trump: When are you going to do signature counts, when are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County, which you said you were going to do, and now all of a sudden youâre not doing it. When are you doing that?
Germany: We are going to do that. Weâve announced â
Hilbert: To get to this issue of the personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers for the president so that we could access that information and private information without you having any kind of violation?
Trump: Well, I donât want to know who it is. You guys can do it very confidentially. You can sign a confidentiality agreement. Thatâs OK. I donât need to know names. But on this stuff that weâre talking about. We got all that information from the secretary of state.
Meadows: Yeah. So let me let me recommend, Ryan, if you and Kurt would get together, you know, when we get off of this phone call, if you could get together and work out a plan to address some of what weâve got with your attorneys where we can we can actually look at the data. For example, Mr. Secretary, I can you say they were only two dead people who would vote. I can promise you there are more than that. And that may be what your investigation shows, but I can promise you there are more than that. But at the same time, I think itâs important that we go ahead and move expeditiously to try to do this and resolve it as quickly as we possibly can. And if thatâs the good next step. But hopefully we can we can finish this phone call and go ahead and agree that the two of you will get together immediately.
Trump: Well why donât my lawyers show you where you got the information. It will show the secretary of state, and you donât even have to look at any names. We know want names. We donât care. But we got that information from you. And Stacey Abrams is laughing about you. Sheâs going around saying these guys are dumber than a rock. What sheâs done to this party is unbelievable, I tell ya. And I only ran against her once. And that was with a guy named Brian Kemp and I beat her. And if I didnât run, Brian wouldnât have had even a shot, either in the general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a doornail. He never thought he had a shot at either one of them. What a schmuck I was. But thatâs the way it is. Thatâs the way it is. I would like you ⌠for the attorneys ⌠Iâd like you to perhaps meet with Ryan ideally tomorrow, because I think we should come to a resolution of this before the election. Otherwise youâre going to have people just not voting. They donât want to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor and they hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. The only people like you are people that will never vote for you. You know that Brad, right? They like you know, they like you. They canât believe what they found. They want people like you. So, look, can you get together tomorrow? And Brad. We just want the truth. Itâs simple.
And everyoneâs going to look very good if the truth comes out. Itâs OK. It takes a little while but let the truth come out. And the real truth is I won by 400,000 votes. At least. Thatâs the real truth. But we donât need 400,000. We need less than 2,000 votes. And are you guys able to meet tomorrow Ryan?
Germany: Um, Iâll get with Chris, the lawyer representing us and the case, and see when he can get together with Kurt.
Raffensperger: Ryan will be in touch with the other attorney on this call, Mr. Meadows. Thank you President Trump for your time.
Trump: OK, thank you, Brad. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. Bye.