Conservative columnist Jeffrey Lord told the Todd Starnes Show he doesn’t think Hillary Clinton and her camp will be able to get away from the spying on Donald Trump bombshell.
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The former Reagan administration staffer discussed the story with the former assistant secretary for Public Affairs for the U.S. Department of the Treasury Monica Crowley Monday with host Todd Starnes.
Crowley referred to this breaking story as “worse than Watergate.”
“I can say with great authority that what we are witnessing now with these disclosures and all of this information about what was done to Donald Trump, that it is worse than Watergate by magnitudes,” said Crowley. “Magnitudes. They were spying on a sitting president in order to undermine and destroy him and by extension, the country.”
Starnes brought up the fact that it was stunning how some of the mainstream media was ignoring this story, while some seemed to jump to Clintons’ defense.
“It would almost be like the journalists of the time, Woodward and Bernstein taking the side and defending the people who did the break-in,” Starnes said, referring to Watergate. “I mean, this is what we’re talking about here because the media is turning a complete blind eye to all of this.”
Lord then discussed how this spying could not have been done alone and how it takes a network.
“You know, there was more than one person involved,” said Lord. “There were a whole collection of people. And that’s because of the obvious that if you’re going to do something like this, you need a network of people to do it. One person can’t do something alone. So we are going to find out in detail who all of these people were.”
Crowley then proceeded to say that that the Obama administration was in on this as well.
“I can identify both the Clinton and Obama crime syndicates because this was happening,” said Crowley. “While Obama was president, he was working hand in glove with the Clinton campaign in order to get her elected to lock in their agenda.”
Crowley and Lord are both optimistic about a red wave coming in the 2022 midterm elections as long as the elections are fair.
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Here is a copy of the transcript below:
TODD STARNES : [00:43:25] Congressman Jim Jordan is enraged over all of this. He says this is as wrong as it gets. He says that the Democrats have spied on a sitting president. Meanwhile, the media, I’m just stunned by this. The media has completely ignored the story. It’s-it’s unbelievable. This is not some conjecture here. This is an official document filed in federal court, and yet the mainstream media is taking a pass. Well, I want to go to the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker Lines. We have two of the brightest minds in politics to discuss this and the ramifications and the implications. We have a former member of the Trump administration, our good friend, the great Monica Crowley. Monica, good to have you with us. [00:44:29][49.0]
MONICA CROWLEY: [00:44:30] Great to be here, Todd. Thank you. [00:44:31][1.6]
STARNES: [00:44:32] And we also have one of the best columnists out there, an incredible author and a great American patriot. Our good friend, Jeffrey Lord Jeffrey. Welcome back to the show. [00:44:41][9.7]
JEFFREY LORD: [00:44:42] Thank you, Todd. And it’s good to be with my old pal, Monica.
CROWLEY: Same to you, Jeff. [00:44:47][4.7]
STARNES: [00:44:48] Yeah, it’s-it’s like a reunion to here on the program. You know, Monica, I want to go back to when I was at Fox News Channel and you were on my program right before you joined the administration and you told me that the reports you were hearing were going to blow people’s minds. And here we are now. Your reaction to what Durum has found? [00:45:12][24.2]
CROWLEY: [00:45:14] Well, you know, I think all of us here on this call and everybody listening to your show today, Todd suspected and essentially knew on a visceral level that there was a lot more to this story. President Trump has constantly and relentlessly been proven correct about all of his assertions about what was done to him in 2015 2016. Through this very moment that we’re doing this show, they are still attacking him, and he was roundly mocked and criticized and attacked for saying that they were spying on me. I’ll never forget. In early March of 2017, he went on a Twitter tirade. He was already president, but he went on a tirade on Twitter talking about how his opponents had wiretapped Trump Tower during the campaign. And I’ll never forget the explosion of mockery and derision like Trump is crazy. He said he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. This is insane. And I remember saying both publicly and privately, if Trump is saying this, he knows something that the rest of us do not know. So do not dismiss it. Don’t mock it, understand that he is ahead of the story. Well, now we’ve got even more information and more details to connect these dots that what they did to him wasn’t just during the campaign when he was a political opponent, which would have been bad enough, but they continued to spy on him by hacking into White House computers to monitor his e-mail and internet traffic while he was president of the United States. I have to say, guys, I had worked my very first job. I had worked for former President Richard Nixon during the last years of his life. There is a lot of comparisons to Watergate and even President Trump of the last couple of days, the saying this is worse than Watergate. I can say with authority, having known Richard Nixon having worked for him. Talk to him. Endless times about Watergate. I can say with great authority that what we are witnessing now with these disclosures and all of this information about what was done to Donald Trump, that it is worse than Watergate by magnitudes. Magnitudes. They were spying on a sitting president in order to undermine and destroy him and by extension, the country. The crimes we’re talking about here are epic and perhaps the worst in American political history. [00:47:49][155.1]
STARNES: [00:47:50] Now, Jeffrey Lord, I want to bring you in here. I was just a little Martin and I are the same age, so we were just a little munchkins back during
CROWLEY: 25.
STARNES: Yeah, so that was a long time. So I mean, going back to the era of Watergate, it would almost be like the journalists of the time, Woodward and Bernstein taking the side and defending the people who did the break-in. I mean, this is what we’re we’re talking about here because the media is turning a complete blind eye to all of this. [00:48:17][26.8]
LORD: [00:48:18] Well, they are, indeed, but I don’t think they’re going to be able to get away from this. And I have to tell the two of you and your audience, you’ll just love this. I’m looking at a tweet from Hillary Clinton in 2016 that reads one sentence. Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian based bank. Then she attaches in her tweet on her campaign stationery, the title statement from Jake Sullivan, a new report exposing Trump’s secret line of communication in Russia and the very last sentence of Jake Sullivan statement bearing in mind that he is now the national security adviser to President Biden. His very last line reads, “We can only assume that federal authorities will now explore this direct connection between Trump and Russia as part of their existing probe into Russia’s meddling in our elections, unquote. Well, newsflash for Jake, they have and you are part of the culprit campaign. [00:49:23][64.5][91.4]
STARNES: [00:49:24] It’s I mean, if you go back, guys and remember our dear friend, the great Rush Limbaugh, he’s the guy that coined the phrase the Clinton Crime Family. I mean, this is why he did that. [00:49:36][11.8]
LORD: [00:49:38] That is right. I mean, I was thinking about this this this morning. I somewhere I saw a picture of Bill and Hillary Clinton and I thought, Man, these two people have done more to destroy Americans’ faith in the election system and election integrity than any two people I can think of in American history. I mean, this is just bad business. It’s unethical. Uh-I think we’re going to find out if people are going to be prosecuted, if it’s criminal, whether that reaches to Hillary Clinton herself. But they have made a mess out of all of this, quite deliberately so. And I think now this is going to be a very interesting period because the calls for prosecution will go up.
STARNES: Now, Monica
LORD: I would suggest it would start with, perhaps with Jake Sullivan. And the question should be asked: What is he doing as the president’s national security adviser, when he should be going through a prosecution?
STARNES: Monica
CROWLEY: You said one name to this conversation, because we’re rightfully focused on Hillary Clinton because it was her campaign, and of course, she knew she was directing all of this. But I’ve sent out a tweet over the weekend, including the name Barack Obama.
STARNES and LORD: Yes
CROWLEY: I can identify both the Clinton and Obama crime syndicates because this was happening. While Obama was president, he was working hand in glove with the Clinton campaign in order to get her elected to lock in their agenda. So there is no way on God’s green Earth that Barack Obama, his Vice President, Joe Biden and his CIA director, John Brennan, the national director of National Intelligence, James Clapper. There is no way that the entire Obama team did not also know and sanction all of these crimes against Trump now.
LORD: Amen to that. [00:51:27][109.7]
STARNES: [00:51:28] Yeah, go ahead, Jeffrey. [00:51:28][0.6]
LORD: [00:51:30] Yeah, I just I just it. It is. It is not possible. I mean, when we talk about worse than Watergate, and let’s go back to the original Watergate. And you know, there was more than one person involved. There were a whole collection of people. And that’s because of the obvious that if you’re going to do something like this, you need a network of people to do it. One person can’t do something alone. So we are going to find out in detail who all of these people were. As I read this filing from John Durham. And that finally is a good thing. Let’s pull off the mask, so to speak, and see who’s underneath. [00:52:08][38.7]
STARNES: [00:52:09] We have Monica Crowley and Jeffrey Lord on the Patriot mobile newsmaker lines. Monica, I want to bring to your attention a piece out of the New York Times. Jonathan Martin was the writer, and they have done a deep dove inside what they’re calling Mitch McConnell’s campaign to take back the Senate and thwart Trump. And this is a pretty nefarious thing the establishment is doing here. They’re quoting people saying that George W. Bush is in on this. Lisa Murkowski, Larry Hogan. The list goes on and on and on. My concern is this we’ve got to stop the Biden crime syndicate as well in the midterm elections, and that’s the only opportunity we have to do that. And it’s also the opportunity we have to get to the bottom of this Spygate story. Monica, what are you hearing in Republican circles? And Jeffrey, I’m going to get you to follow up with after Monica finishes with her response. [00:53:02][53.1]
LORD: Yep
CROWLEY: [00:53:04] Well, I think there’s there’s going to be a huge red tsunami coming our way in November. That assumes that these elections in each district and state are clean, which is a big assumption. But if they are, then I think we’re going to see a Republican landslide. But I think that Republican establishment candidates are either not on the ballot or, you know, that they lose in the primary system before we get to the general election. Because if we have this Republican tsunami and then we’ve got a bunch of, you know, RINOs and establishment trying to get elected who are just going to stymie the populist Make America Great Again, America First, a revolution that is going on that’s attracting a lot of independents and disaffected Democrats who began in 2016 with Trump. But it continues to this day. But if we’ve got Republicans who are going to stand in the way of that, we got to make sure that we root those people out before we get to November. That being said, I do think that there are, as you say, Todd- a number of Republican establishment types who will stop at nothing to stop Trump from running again. And you will notice that Mitch McConnell used the word insurrection to describe Trump and January sixth. He did that recently, last week or two weeks ago. And there is some speculation that I believe it. The 14th Amendment says that if anyone has engaged in insurrection against the United States, they are disqualified from high office. So I would not put it past these establishment types, including McConnell, to join with Democrats in trying to use that as a lever for the January. six commission to try to block Trump from ever running again.
STARNES: Fascinating
CROWLEY: Trump has options to overcome that. But you’ve got to keep your eye on that. [00:54:58][113.2]
Starnes: [00:54:59] Jeffrey Lord. [00:54:59][0.4]
LORD: [00:55:00] Yeah. Monica is a 100 percent right here. You know, when you sort of pull back at 30000 feet, this is of a piece with what’s going on with all these Canadian truckers. You’ve got a real divide between establishment elites in both parties and average middle Americans, middle Canadians, whatever you want to call them with a group of people, all these elites who feel they’re entitled to tell people what to do to have power to run the country. I certainly saw this, as you know, I worked for President Reagan. I began to notice this when he was first candidate, Reagan and I did a column on this that was titled “Yes, Trump can win.” I wrote it in 2015 and I’d gone back and looked at all the things these establishment types. People like Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javits, Charles Percy had said about Ronald Reagan in the day, and it was startling to say, you know, startlingly the same. He’s an extremist. He’s a racist. He should never be allowed to be the nominee of the party or will get clobbered. I mean, on and on and on this stuff went. And of course, Governor Reagan, former Governor Reagan finally went on to win the GOP nomination in 1980, and he won the election in a landslide. Now one of the curious things there. My friend Ed Rollins, who was Ronald Reagan’s campaign manager in 1984, wrote his memoirs. And he said in there that in 1980, he was disappointed to realize that George H.W. Bush, who was the nicest of gentlemen, was on the ticket as vice president and Ed’s words or something to the effect that conservatives won. And then we handed our sort to the establishment losers and invited them into our camp. And the next thing, you know, eventually, when Reagan left office, the establishment took over. And I think, you know, Donald Trump is very much like Ronald Reagan in that respect. And they can’t stand him. They cannot abide him, and they will do anything and everything in their power to block he and his supporters. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s former President Trump himself or whether it’s his supporters in various states around the country. This is a problem here. And I think thankfully, President Trump and his supporters are well on to this. I believe they’re on to it right here where I live in Pennsylvania. And good for them. [00:57:22][142.7]
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STARNES: [00:57:23] All right, Monica Jeffrey, we’re going to have to leave it there. A lot of great intel. We appreciate both you. You, folks, and thanks for coming on the program today. [00:57:32][9.0]
LORD: [00:57:33] You bet. Thanks. [00:57:34][0.6]